Funnel Hacker Radio - Podcast (Dave Woodward)
Expert Secrets: Find Your Message, Build A Tribe, And Change The World…
“Expert Secrets Is The Map That Will Allow You To Turn Your Specialized Knowledge, Talents and Abilities Into A Business That Will Work For You! This Is One Of The Shortcuts of The New Rich” - Robert Kiyosaki
Why Dave Decided to talk with Josh Rhodes and Sam Hill:
When it comes to simplicity, Josh Rhodes and Sam Hill are the Kings of the Hill. They’ve taken their business to the 2-Comma Club level with simple steps that they feel everybody else overlooks. Their success is attributed to the use of such simple steps. If you want advice on how to build your own business to a level you are proud of, tune in and buckle up. This duo has made a living off getting people to that level, let’s see if they can’t help you start to see your own potential.
Tips and Tricks for You and Your Business:
(2:42) Buckle Down on the Simple Things that Consistently Work For You
(3:49) Sam and Josh Advise Us to Never Forget the Middle of the Value Ladder
(6:31) How Do We Get More Specificity in Our Businesses?
(11:06) Going Simpler Will Allow You to Get Richer
(14:41) Funnel Hack the Offer HERE
(16:51) Here’s How We Can Better Guarantee Your Clients’ Success
(18:08) You Need to Understand Your Business and the Dreadful Scope Creep
(19:42) The Money Doesn’t Mind for Passion, It Goes the Path of Least Resistance
(22:34) You Can Never Have Too Many Leads, Some Are Rotten Regardless
(24:14) You Should Hire Salespeople When You…
(28:28) Selling Avatars, Have You Heard About These?
(2:50) “I think for us, our breakthrough was when we doubled down on who we served, what their pain point is, and how to distribute solutions that work to them.”
(7:54) “Here’s where the guts come in, you have to have the courage to leave a ton of money on the table at first.”
(23:56) “We actually burn a lot of leads. Like, some of those leads are like some of those bananas you don’t get to eat on the counter because they’re already bruising and rotting or whatever.”
Know your customer’s margins so you can know how you need to price.
Scope Creep is a forgivable mistake, it’s just going to happen. Just remember to always learn from those mistakes.
Speaker 1: 00:00 Welcome to funnel hacker radio podcast where we go behind the scenes and uncover the tactics and strategies top entrepreneurs are using to make more sales, dominate their markets and how you can get those same results. Here’s your host, Dave Woodward.
Speaker 2: 00:17 Everybody, welcome back to funnel hacker radio. This is going to be a ton of fun today. I had the opportunity of having two dear friends on this show with me, Josh Rhodes and Sam Hill. Guys walk through the show. Thanks for having us man. I’m super excited. These guys love talking to friends from the south because they’re super simple, but at the same time, right? There’s crushing it. So will Sam and Josh have had the opportunity of being a two car, two Comma Club award winners. Jaci also is one of our dream car warm winters. So guys, the thing I like most is we’re kind of trying to figure out what’s the best thing to talk about. And I think as we’re looking at funnel hacking live is literally like three, four days away. Stress here in the office. These guys just basic on as he know what, it’s all easy guys.
Speaker 2: 00:57 It’s super simple. We have basically just two funnels. And out of those two phenols we’ve built multiple seven figure businesses. So I thought what a better way of just diving in and letting these guys really kind of explained to you how they are taking the little are the poster child or Porsche poster children, uh, really being one funnel away. And that’s kind of the, one of the things I want to talk to you guys about today and really let them kind of shed some of their light and their knowledge and their experience running multimillion dollar businesses on exactly how you literally can be one funnel way and what they’ve done to simplify all that. They’ve got a business they run called Moneyline workshop. They’d have the option and working in agencies so these guys know what they’re talking about. They’re out there actually doing it, which is the part I love most more than anything else is I hate bringing people on who have, are just teaching, but they don’t actually do. These guys are actually doing so with that guys, let’s kind of dive right into it. Anything else you guys want to add? No, that’s great. I’ll, I’ll say this that, uh, Sam plays an unbelievable role as the president of our businesses and I get to be the Mickey Mouse CEO, so he’s actually probably going to provide way more value than anybody in [inaudible] hall. Man. I hope you didn’t deliver, say,
Speaker 3: 02:11 yeah. So, you know, I think a big part of our experience thus far, you know, Josh and I have a pretty diverse background. Our stories kind of crazy. I came from corporate sales, I owned a home inspection franchise back in the day and that’s actually how Josh and I met. So our origin stories kind of kind of funky. He was a coalmine specter. Yeah. That’s how we met, you know, 10 some odd years ago. Uh, and I think that when we kind of fell down this, this internet marketing online business rabbit hole, I think for a while, you know, you’re, you’re looking at, there’s so much out there, there’s so many different types of offers, types of funnels, types of niches. And I think for us, our, our breakthrough moment was when we doubled down on who we serve, what their pain point is and how to distribute solutions that work to them.
Speaker 3: 03:01 And I think clarity, having clarity on your offer, clarity on who you reach, what you do for them and how to get that offer in front of them really are breakthrough thing. And you can really spend a lot of time trying to figure out the different tech components and how many steps you need and in your funnel. And I think for us, for awhile we kind of spun our wheels trying to figure out how fancy we needed to get once we got really, really simple and went deep on that one offer, things really started to happen for us or anything you’d add that Josh?
Speaker 4: 03:35 No, we, we’ve had dotcom secrets and expert secrets at an arm’s length the whole time as kind of our Almanac, if you will. And um, we’ve really focused on the middle of the value ladder. I don’t know if many of your guests have talked about the, the middle of the value ladder word. The deliverables aren’t too overwhelming, but the profit margins are just good enough to where you can really build a business there. And then now what we’ve done is we’ve built out the top and the bottom of our value ladders. That’s really helped to scale revenue. So we can, we can obviously dive in. There’s a lot of meat there I think you can dive into, but we will let you know, Josh, I really wanted to kind of talk about that part there because I think too often people get so focused on, well, I’m going to start with a lead gen product first and I’m going to do this, this pdf and this pdf is going to lead to a membership site. Membership sites going to lead to a Webinar, the Webinar, and you just burn out. You don’t have enough money, don’t have enough resources to really build that business. And I know we’ve talked a lot at different times about the middle of the value ladder as that starting point. If you don’t mind, kind of expound on that as far as what actually is your middle of the value ladder and what,
Speaker 3: 04:39 what did you guys start with first? Here’s what’s crazy. We don’t have a Webinar, we don’t have any lead magnets. So it’s like when you look at our, our, our sort of offer and our value ladder, a lot of people are like, wait, like when we do our Milan workshops are like, wait a minute. That’s it. It’s like, yeah, that’s it. There’s nothing else to show you. Um, you know, we went straight for that two to $5,000 ticket range and went straight from a Facebook ad to an actual phone call and we use our indoctrination or warmup sequencing to sort of take the place of a Webinar or to an extent and show them that we’re having a ton of success for our clients. And then we go right on that phone call and we’ve got a four point script that we use to close a two to five k deal.
Speaker 3: 05:26 And we sort of have built our business kind of backwards in some way. And Josh like chime in. But we started out with high ticket to create cashflow, uh, to create Roi on our ad spin. And then, you know, now we’ve spent the last year or two going back and sort of backfilling with more of an agency Mrr model. Um, so it’s kind of interesting because we talked to a lot of people in our Moneyline workshop that are trying to do agencies right, which is awesome. Uh, but they’re trying to build up their client base enough with enough retainers month basically to hit their income target, which is totally cool and works. We sorta did it the opposite. We started out with, you know, training products at high ticket value, high gross margin, and then we’ve sort of now doubled back and we have both and we’ve built this sort of sort of foundation, you know, after the fact. Um, Josh chime in on that.
Speaker 4: 06:17 Yeah. Like, um, if you’re listening to this podcast or an interview and you’re trying to make, make a run at this thing called business or entrepreneurship and you’re, you don’t yet have specificity on the potential customer Avatar and what your offer is for them. The, the, the greatest way to get to that specificity is get on the phone obviously. And which I know we’re not the first person to tell, you know, to give that advice. But what’s going to happen is it’s going to take you out of an economical whirlpool that I think a lot of people get taught in, which is trying to sell 49 to $97 widgets, whatever that might be and how they may be noble and excellent products. Don’t get me wrong, but the sheer economics and the principles of capitalism or are going to keep you at bay and you’re going to find yourself stuck.
Speaker 4: 07:15 And so what we did is we looked out and said, okay, which, um, which potential prospects out there are in it for themselves and they have to eat what they kill and they know that if they aren’t killing, they’re not eating. Okay. Those people probably have some kind of bleeding neck pain that we can go try to solve, provide a tourniquet for. And then we said, okay, instead of charging $97 for the problem, let’s just go charge two to five k but here’s the, here’s where the guts come in. You got to have courage to leave a ton of money on the table at first. And when, I mean a ton of money, a lot of potential $97 transactions or whatever small price point that you’re wanting to start with because of maybe your self esteem or, or, or imposter syndrome or whatever. Maybe you’re dealing with, you’ve got to be cool with having a 5% or less global conversion rate on your sales calls for example.
Speaker 4: 08:14 And you’ve got to be okay leaving money, quote unquote on the table. And then once you get to a place, like we didn’t even have two offers until um, we were well into two comma club land. Um, we did two comma club and 10 months I believe maybe with a little less than that. And then it was probably 16 months before we introduced our second offer period. And the second offer was an agency model. Um, and now we get to it’s funnel stacking to some extent or revenue model stacking to where we enjoy a little bit of both worlds but we didn’t try to enjoy that in our profit margins were able to underwrite us cause we just lived in the middle of that value ladder instead of trying to, you know, sell enough $97 widgets or we also had the knowledge or at least the awareness to not try to go sell and maybe you can, but we didn’t go start at a 25 or 50 k contract value.
Speaker 4: 09:09 We just kind of lived in that two to five k world. They’re in the middle of the value ladder and it was scalable and it worked well. I know that get on the phone is a scary thing for a lot of people. And uh, how did you guys overcome that fear of, again, you’re going basically from a Facebook ad to a phone call application. Is that right? Yeah, yeah. It’ll, what’s your cost per [inaudible], your DPL or what’s your, how much do you spend in basically to get that phone to ring? So, um, I think you said something, Dave, you know, or you alluded to this, which is a lot of people don’t understand like especially Internet marketing can be a Assad to some extent because you, you, you don’t think like a business owner right out of the gate. It, Internet marketing is so accessible, like online business, so accessible.
Speaker 4: 09:57 You’re not necessarily understanding that you’ve got to have drag gunpowder and capital. And the, um, one thing that we quickly established was the metric that you just asked for, which is, um, in our world cost per booking or cost per appointment, um, in our lingo and we will average anywhere between 15 and $45 depending on the time of the day that Mark Zuckerberg and the other social warlords decided the outlet. But anyway, once you know, um, those, those numbers, you can pretty much pushed the brake or the gas pedal on the floorboard of your business is whenever you want to. And it gives you the control that a lot of people give. But then once you know those, they’re like the candlelight deceiving lead metrics. Cause then you got to really know, well how many of those phone calls do I need before I close deals, et cetera. So you, you’ve got to start somewhere. And that cost per lead cost per booking, those are, those are great places
Speaker 3: 11:03 to start looking at it. Go ahead. No, I was going to say, you know, you asking about getting on the phone and you know, w we have a sales script, you know, just like you’ve got a headline and a Facebook ad and you’ve got a headline on a, on a landing page and you know, like we just use sales scripts and which sounds old fashion and it Julie, not all that is sexy and exciting, but it works. And I think that’s what enables you to have confidence is because really at the end of the day, I think being simpler and your offer and kind of what you do simplifies everything else, right? So when you go deep on one offer, it makes your traffic simpler, it makes your booking simpler, it makes your sales calls simpler to make sure delivery and your ability to help your clients have success.
Speaker 3: 11:51 Simple as well. Because you’re focused on one thing and you have a deliverable that you can, you can actually fulfill for your clients and help them achieve depending on how you know, what you’re offering, man, it makes everything simpler. So the crazy thing is that our social proof and our customer success skyrocketed when we doubled down on one offer. Um, that, that was also one of the fascinating things we elevated, but our clients also elevated big time. So when we’re on a call, a sales call, to kind of touch on that, we just use a really simple sales script, which kind of takes the pressure off, you know, because we’re not trying to razzle dazzle on every call. It’s just we’ve got a really simple talk track that’s focused on their pain points are offer and how we can help them be our next success story. Which kind of goes back to that clarity and simplicity thing. You know, versus trying to dabble in all this different stuff. We just really said, let’s dominate one offer, you know, and, and so on. So, you know, that’s it.
Speaker 4: 12:52 So what is, who is your, who’s your niche? Who Do you guys, are you guys going after for that two to $5,000 price point? Yeah. So, uh, real estate agents, loan officers, uh, is one business. And then Moneyline workshop is really anyone trying to build a client based service, business agency owners, consultants, coaches. If you provide any level of done with tee or done for you service. And that goes for anybody out there listening. Like it could be a limousine service, it could be a life coach, it could be just about any vertical needs, some kind of done for you service, which is something I skipped over while ago. Like if you’re out there listening to you need traction, create a done for you service. It’s the easiest thing to sell on the planet. And we didn’t do that at first and that’s why our global convergence percentage was so low.
Speaker 4: 13:44 But we have profit margins built in so that when we did close the deal it was a massive cash injection. And now we have a little bit of both worlds. And the thing that flies off the shelf is our done for you service. And it is just once you, like, like Sam said, once you have a script, you gotta be loyal to the script and not get emotional about your conversations and try to tailor everything. You got to control the conversation and keep everybody in a world of, in your world or they’ll take it, they’ll take you down, what’s wrong with Momma and then I’ll take them fail and they’ll, you know, all that. But if you can maintain control, it’s really kind of like ab split testing with the click funnels landing. It’s like this script versus this script, but I’ve got to be loyal to these, these scripts or you’ll never know what really works.
Speaker 4: 14:31 I love that. So what is your guys off for the two to 5,000 bucks? What did they get? They get, um, a training element, ongoing training elements to help them acquire certain skills. Um, they get ongoing support and coaching. Um, we provide them with a, um, uh, software element and um, depending on where they enter in their, with their investments, they might get a few other things. Like maybe we might help them launch some campaigns. You know, done with you type type, it is very much a done with you program, the high ticket quote unquote, depending on where your price point is and maybe your vertical can withstand a $10,000 middle of the value ladder offer, you know, like a dentist or an ophthalmologist is going to be able to pay more than you know, maybe someone who owns a garage door repair business. It’s just because their average customer values are higher, which I guess now that I’m thinking out loud, if you’re trying to determine your price points, look at your potential customer avatars, avatars, average customer value. Because if they’re a plastic surgeon averaging $8,000 a procedure there, they’re able to pay you more per lead or poor per deliverable than maybe someone who has a hundred or $200 like a locksmith.
Speaker 2: 15:51 I totally agree. I had that conversation. My son Chandler the other day, we were talking about, uh, you know, he’s kind of going through and the same type of thing, building out this agency model and you know, you have to kind of pick whoever your avatar is going to be. And realize whoever you pick, they have certain numbers that they just, it’s Roi for them. I mean it’s like they know I can only spend x to acquire a customer. And I think the biggest mistake a lot of agency owners make is they don’t know who their customers, they don’t know what those metrics are for that customer. And it’s very hard to price your services if you don’t know what your client basically what their, what their metrics are as well. So I really appreciate you’re hitting on that Josh. Yeah.
Speaker 3: 16:27 Say something else today that I think Josh just said that, you know, brought a lot of stuff to my brain. I think another sort of key for us was when we figured out this progression from do it yourself customer too, we’ll do it with you customer to, we’ll do it for you customer. And I think a lot of times people aren’t thinking, you know, entrepreneurs aren’t thinking about those three different types of delivering your value to the customer. And one of the things we learned from Russell actually was, you know, you can deliver the same thing or similar value pieces in different experiences, different theater. Some people like to do it themselves and get their logins and go on their merry way. Other people really like to like have a coach alongside with them so you’re actually doing the deliverable with them and then other people like it when you just do it for them when you build the funnel form or whatever.
Speaker 3: 17:19 Right. And we’ve sort of evolved our offer over the years now where like we see a trend with our clientele even, you know, across all of our verticals. Doing it within is extremely valuable. You know, versus there’s a lot of courses out there in courses are great and there for the right person sometimes they’re a fantastic fit, but we really pivoted our offer from here’s your logins, good luck to hey, we’re going to do it with you. And almost as much as we can guarantee your success in your experience with the program, which in turn has fed our social proof dramatically, right? Like, as we’ve invested more in their success, they’re invested more on our success. So it’s pretty interesting when, in terms of the high ticket game, so tell me guys, how have you guys been able to avoid scope creep in a done for you are done with you type of program? Because I know especially in the agency model, scope creep is one of the hardest things. Did you, do you want to over deliver? But at the same time we go on,
Speaker 4: 18:18 man, I should’ve sold a nice $7 price point and just walked away. Yeah. Uh, well first of all to say we perfectly have would be a lie. Uh, we, we are entrepreneurs after all and there’s a hallway full of doors and they all say opportunity on him. And Sam and I are salesmen as well and we love persuasion and we love just getting the validation of the sale. And so we’ve, we’ve had to slap our own risks. Um, but at the same time, it’s not necessarily a, you know, I think it’s a forgivable sin too to have scope creep, but at some point you definitely have to make a decision and come to level five agreement together and go, you know what? We cannot do the custom video branding element for every customer, but we can do this Google ad words campaign for everybody because it works for everybody and we don’t have to spend five hours on that as opposed to the custom video, you know, et Cetera, et Cetera, whatever the illustrations are out there. And so, um, you, you, you avoid scope creep by being loyal to your metrics that matter to the growth of your business and the results of the client. A lot of times if you have an emotional connection or some aspiration that you want, that can get in the way of what actually matters in the true business because the money is agnostic, it doesn’t care about what Josh thinks about a particular product. It just wants to know where it needs to travel to get the most value in return.
Speaker 3: 19:52 Yeah, you’ve got to reverse engineer kind of your goals a little bit. So, you know, if you’re looking for a lifestyle business that’s more about, you know, um, larger cash injections and you don’t want staff and employees and all that stuff, then you know, you want to limit your scope as much as possible. Otherwise you’re never going to be able to fulfill it. Fill it. I’ll always be you Lou. Then that made that kind of never ending treadmill. You know, Josh and I have grown and act like, I mean, we’ve got almost 20 full time employees now. I mean, we first started, we didn’t have plans to have any employees. It’s just us, you know, so it’s kind of funny like, wow, we have a big team. Uh, but that’s because you know, that we defined our scope and we also said, all right, let’s think more like business owners and less like just a funnel guy, right?
Speaker 3: 20:39 For a time. And let’s actually build out a staff that can fulfill the scope, you know, at scale and all that stuff’s important because you don’t always think out ahead. You always think maybe you’re just going to deliver it, you’re going to deliver it, but eventually you’re just going to reach your, your your limit and your ceiling, you know, and until you’re willing to scale out and acquire non funnel building skills, more just business growth skills, sales skills, marketing, hiring, all that stuff. Sometimes that’s the key to taking your funnel to the next level. Ironically, it’s not as much about opt in rates and conversion rates as it is stuff like people, you know? No, I totally agree. Yeah.
Speaker 4: 21:15 I think especially when you’re trying to scale that people often becomes really huge for you guys. Tell me, when you start taking a look, I love some of the main things you guys have hit on. The fact is you really have to start thinking more as a business owner and said, I’ve just been, we’d run an agency or I’m to try this. Internet marketing game is you. First of all, I started thinking as business owners, super amazing things happen because now all of a sudden you start paying attention to the metrics. You start knowing your numbers. When you start again, you were kind of like 15 to 15 to $45 a for customer lead or, or booking. How many, what’s your typical, how many causes your bookings do you need before you actually close one? What’s, what are some of the numbers you guys have currently?
Speaker 3: 21:55 Yeah, good question. I mean, I think we’ll see anywhere from, some of it’s fluctuated based on our sales staff, right? So now, I mean we have a full sales staff taking calls all day long, all over the country. So you know, on a typical sales day right now we’ll see anywhere from four to eight transactions come through in a, in a day on, you know, 40 to 60 calls. Some of that can fluctuate with the market too, depending on, you know, what’s, cause our, our business has some seasonality to it. Um, but
Speaker 4: 22:25 you’ve got, I mean, you’ve got a 10% close rate then. Yeah. And that’s, that’s like, um, really an interesting question and I actually had to pause and Sam hit on it, but it’s there, it’s, there, there becomes, when you start to scale, at least it becomes these pressure valves that you’ve got to control. It’s like the, the lock in the dam and the water, like releasing a very precise amount of water. So we actually, um, we actually burn a lot of leads. Like some of our leads are just like the, those of bananas that you don’t get to eat on the counter bruising and nodding and, and like, I actually told someone this today, like someone gave him bad advice. I was talking to a young marketer and training and they were like, yeah, somebody told me I don’t need to go, uh, generate so many leads yet because I’m not, I’m going to get overwhelmed with the work.
Speaker 4: 23:18 And I was like, dude, that’s why you’re stuck. You need the rotting bananas on the counter or you’re not going to have enough food to eat. And, and, and that was a big part of what we do. And so now it’s actually really kind of scientific, like we know how many leads generally in a seven day period that each of our sales team members need in order to hit their quota. And that’s been a fun process that we’ve, that we’ve taken on. But yeah, we’ll, we’ll scale and ebb and flow based on availability of our, our sales team because they become our conversion apparatus. Right. Oh sure. So when did you guys start bringing on sales guys? Because at first it was just the two of you guys taking the sales calls? I, as I recall. Oh yeah, a lot of sales calls. I think it was the moment when, uh, this is a great question because a lot of people are going to try to either delegate too early or not delegate ever. And if there’s a moment when it’s working so well, and you’ve got, you know, a repeatable unit, like we’ve got a repeatable funnel and it’s predictable and, and you’re saying things like, Hey, do you want to take the next sales call?
Speaker 4: 24:35 That’s when, you know, I probably should, you know, get off, get the script out of my brain, put it on a, on a Google doc, hire someone, put them on a good commission rate and let’s let them, you know, when for us and let’s get them up to 80% efficiency as fast as possible and binge that out while your business partner or somebody else or while you still are, um, are, are crushing deals until you get that person up to speed and then you do it. And don’t hire too many salespeople at the same time. That’s another thing that’s a mistake we’ve made because what happens is you start to segment your lead flow into weakness and none of the salespeople can get enough problem based learning under their belt fast enough. And then all of your conversion rates go down, your revenue goes down and you’re just like, what? We hired five new salespeople. They should be five x thing, our sales. But it actually has the exact opposite of thing because the salespeople need, they need time and you need time with your script to get vested and grafted into the system. Uh, such great advice. I would. So tell me, when you’re looking at your sales guys, how do you typically pay as far as commission? And you would, do you have a salary plus commission? You paid just commission. How much commission do you guys pay Sam?
Speaker 3: 25:54 Yeah, great question. Uh, so for most of our sales staff, that’s a hundred percent commission. Uh, and our commission rates actually kind of going back to your metrics and your economics depend on what they’re selling. So with high ticket offers, you wish in our niche, our price point is more high ticket. You know, they get a larger cup can be anywhere from, you know, 12 to 18% per enrollment. But when you’re selling a recurring service and agency model, your margins are less because typically the monthly value is less, even though the total contract value might be the same, you’re not getting all that value up front. Right. So your compensation model is a little bit different. So for some of our sales staff, they’re really in the portfolio building game and we have salespeople that have 75 accounts. They get paid on every month. It’s crazy. It’s awesome, you know? Yeah, that’s what I mean. It’s one of the reasons we started our company. And so we can provide opportunity to like that. So they’re stacking right accounts, a recurring accounts and then others are really going after that. You know, that big sale. They want to get that big commission right there. And then, so you’ve got to really drive your commissionable component based on your end game, you know, otherwise you’re just kind of shooting in the dark.
Speaker 2: 27:07 Yeah. And I would say that a commission rates can increase or decrease
Speaker 4: 27:12 based on, uh, whether or not your sales staff has to generate a quota of leads. So our sales staff typically doesn’t, they are, they wake up every morning and their books and they just get to pick up the phone and not worry about where that person came from in the funnel. They just, they have an application in front of them and they magically appeared on the calendar. But if you have a sales team to ask to prospect and it has to work, you know, shake trees, then they usually they usually deserve and earn or warrants a little bit more of a
Speaker 3: 27:45 what piece of the Pie.
Speaker 2: 27:47 So is your sale, is it a onetime clothes or is it a setter and a closer type of thing?
Speaker 3: 27:52 One time. One time close. Yeah, about 90% of all of our sales are on the very first call. Which separate give Dave the followup close percentage and how interesting that is. Yeah, we’ll follow up. Close percentage is going to be aware from five to 8% some months it’s even less. But some of that goes back to your Avatar, right? Like if you’re selling to a business owner, you’ve probably got more contracting, more followup, more questions. If you sell to a consumer, like, and I’d say that’s one of our things in roads, like we, we’ve found that you really need to figure out who is your Avatar, what is their pain, what do they need? Where they want, what’s their life like? What’s their industry like? And we’ve found that in our industry, we tend to sell more to consumers than we do to business owners. Don’t get me wrong, we talked to, you know, different clients that have big teams in big businesses, but the lion share of the industry is to solo point person, right? So it’s more like selling to a consumer. Uh, and so that influences the way that we sell to them because they don’t think in terms of like budgets and metrics and business capital like we do, right? Which is fine. They just think a little bit differently. So then we position our sale as you’re going to do it, let’s do it, you know? Uh, and so our entire funnel shaped around that sales call, that strategy call. So that, and that’s what makes it work.
Speaker 2: 29:13 Yes ma’am. I love that. I think that’s the biggest mistake so many agencies struggle with when they first get going is if you’re going to sell it to the Solo Preneur, you are really selling more B to c, then you are B to B. And it’s totally changes the funnel. It changes the scripts, it changes everything. And I think a, I see a lot of agencies get fresher when they try to go on after this, you know, this large B2b type of business model and you’re like, wait a second, I’ve got a gatekeeper. And then I’ve got three people on the board want to make a decision and they try elephant hunting near instead of just going after these. There’s so many other people out there who have a ton of pain who are in the Solo Preneur, you know, six figures to seven figures were you have good businesses, but they’re out there.
Speaker 2: 29:52 They have to, again, Josh, thank you made mention of it. Really these, these are the people who have to go out and kill something every single day so they can feed their own families. And I think that’s such an easier and better business model, especially as an agency on when you’re going after it to really close down that sales cycle. Because otherwise as an agency again, all of a sudden you’ve got this followup sequences and cheese. I’m in this thing three months and all of a sudden you find yourself like a pharmaceutical salesperson trying to close large x ray machine or cats can’t. Yes, that’s right.
Speaker 3: 30:23 Yeah. And that keeps the, keeps everything you know streamline with your sales and your funnel. Like when we say ours is simple, we mean that people go from Facebook ads to client in 24 to 48 hours.
Speaker 2: 30:35 Yes. That’s it. So fast, Sam. That is so fast.
Speaker 3: 30:39 There’s no like elaborate followup sequences and webinars and email lists that lead the email list that lead to email lists. I mean all that stuff’s fine. I’m just saying that for us. Simple southerners.
Speaker 4: 30:51 Yeah. Well, hey Dave, we got to keep it country simple man. And for all the funnel hackers listening to this, like kind of a big conceptual level, like keep your sales cycles short because you need that cash. If you’re not taking VC capital from somewhere, like this whole click funnels motto is real. Like if you’re going to do that, you got to make sure don’t let the prospects and the leads linger. Go give him a call to action. Give them that deadline, give them that takeaway. Whatever you need to do. I’m not saying obviously sell them snake oil. I’m just saying make sure they know that they need that. The best thing they can do is purchase your product or service in order for them to reach their goals. Don’t tell them that later. Tell them that now and make sure they take you up on it. Well, that’s awesome. Well guys, I
Speaker 2: 31:45 thank you so much for all the value provided to our audience. Thank you. How, how do people get more of you guys?
Speaker 4: 31:51 I think the best way, um, if you’re listening to this and you just won’t kind of like a, uh, a free walk through of our business model and kind of get in our brains a little bit more about what we do and what we do at Moneyline workshop, we can go to Moneyline workshop.com/free. Everybody loves free and opt in there. We’ll walk you through a short video training and kind of show you the skeletal structure of what we’ve done with a few of our businesses and how we can help you from that point. And if you want to book a phone call with this and maybe join us for our workshop, we will more than welcome you on a on a call and see if it’s a good tip for you. Absolutely.
Speaker 2: 32:29 Again guys, I think it’s awesome. I appreciate your, you’re providing that value to people. So check out Moneyline workshop.com forward slash free again, if nothing else, kind of go through and funnel hack of what they’re doing. I think your business model guys is awesome. Two Comma Club award winners crushing it and doing it in multiple industries, which to me is, it’s one thing to do it in one and then you can take that, that same skill set and and just start layering industry after industry like you guys have done and it’s really, it’s great for me to see. So I appreciate, appreciate your example, appreciate what you guys are doing and thanks so much for all the value you provide. Thank you. Thanks for the ecosystem you guys have set up as well. Yeah, that sounds great. Well, we look forward to seeing you a funnel hacking live and those guys were listening. She probably after funnel hacking live, but if not, please check a tick. Take a firstname.lastname@example.org forward slash free. Thanks guys. See you Dave.
Speaker 5: 33:20 Hey Ron, thank you so much for taking the time to listen. I can tell you the things I love more than anything else aside from listening to podcasts is reading books. One of my favorite books was the very first book that Russel wrote. It’s called DOTCOM secrets. It’s the underground playbook for growing your company online. So if you’ve already got a business or an idea and you’ve got something you want to get going right away, go ahead, check it out. We literally give you the book for free. You just pay the seven 95 shipping and handling. Just go to Dotcom secrets.com and we’ll go ahead. We’ll ship you out the book. You just pay seven, nine five shipping and handling, and the book will be on its way to you. Thanks again so much for listening and remember, you’re just one funnel away.
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